this shit is bananas - b-a-n-a-n-a-s
sorry people, Im breaking the radiosilence from planet Henriette where I live.
I have done a huge mistake in the danish blogosphere ( without my knowing).. my 4 readers who knows me well, will probably describe me as innovative, rebellic and provocative. so I teamed up with (still only in my own opinion) tøseblogger no 1 ( a free translation to english would be chickblogger ) Trine “Sille” Thorendal
We wanted to make an event over “tøsebloggers” and an “ode to the existence as a chickmedia” because both of us think that “tøsebloggers” is going to take over the world of “cosmopolitan” and other “glitzy magazines” at some point in the future. why ? because blogging is a killer tool, and peoples life are interesting!
anyway - we putted up a wiki page for the event where our intentions was that all the people ( and I don’t say bloggers here on purpose) who thought this was an interesting subject could sign up and have this debate together with us. whether they were from the blogosphere, or In Real Life people.
and not just women - but men too. we simply putted a note saying that men should be invited by the ladies to participate ( aka. the london girl geekdinner ).. both because we wanted to see more female faces at the event - but also because it’s flattering to have guys ask you on a date..
heck we even contacted speakers !
we should probably have known that there was trouble coming our way, when the page was altered in mysterious ways 3 times last weekend ( pictures here)
BUT when we released a pressrelease with some spelling and grammatical errors ( hey we are semi professional girls doing this for the kick of it - and don’t really give a damn about pressreleases) and furthermore defined “Tøsebloggers” as people who blogged about their everyday life - a large part of the danish blogosphere exploded. why ? because ” tøs” or “chick” is obviously a negative word. and we had categorised people whom we didn’t know.
and most certainly, did not want to be called a “tøseblogger”.
on top of that we have stated ourselves as “initiative” ( in danish the word is “fremtrædende”) bloggers - because yeah ! we think that we do our bit for the danish blogosphere.. especially outwards. and we have contacted the press ( well we haven’t really yet, but YES we have made a real badly spelled and written pressrelease)
but that was a big mistake, I think there is about 20 danish blogs blogging and debating (and dividing) the danish blogosphere as we speak.. and it’s not nice things being said about us.
I have been thinking, not sleeping, crying, wondering, turning my head upside down, inside out about this issue.
and now I finally see why some companies are reluctant to take up blogging. seriously - no matter what we said or stated it was used against us - and the image that these comments and post, gives us is not very true. so blogging for a company can turn into image suicide. this is an eyeopener to me as a speaker on blogging because I have had troubles to see the disadvantages of blogging - now they are here.
but we had our support. thanks guys, you know who you are. and I got myself a really good friend ( yeah Trine that’s you) because we had to debate this amongst ourselves in our asylum.
still we are going ahead with the event. Maybe not many tøsebloggers will show up now ( they have to consider if they really want to label themselves “tøsebloggers”- but I think it’s going to be a blast.. to meet real “tøser” from the blogosphere.
I think it’s sad though, because when I chose to follow thehughpage.com’s initiative and start the CPHgeekdinner - nobody gave a fuck that I called them geeks. they showed up anyway , maybe stating to me personally that they were not geeks.. but.. I allready knew they weren’t. come on it’s a label ! - don’t take it so fuckin personal !
I am freaked out by being called a consumer !
picture this : that if mainstream media picks up on this event ( which I hope they will) when we get the time to do the real PR - I am going to make sure to state - that “NOT all people at the Tøseblogger event, are Tøsebloggers..” do you think the journalist is going to be puzzled - or print it ? does it matter? no.
come on guys. give me hell. tell me how bad my english spelling is.
HUGZ
Henriette
ps. the logo is on my photostream.. please use it frequently girls *s*
April 12th, 2006 at 5:51 pm
Må jeg gentage det (synes jeg selv) relativt konstruktive forslag om at smide en “hvad skal barnet hedde” diskussion på nettet - og få omdøbt arrangementet?
Kald det “Kvinder med hovedet på bloggen” - eller noget andet fiksere, men ikke noget (efter min mening) kønsnedgørende - og lad os få en dialog i gang… Den er jo tydeligvis påkrævet
Der er toppoint til jer for at sætte noget i værk, og (det, som vi er nogle, der opfatter som) en fodfejl behøver jo ikke ødelægge en god ide.
Jeg tror, at den anden barriere i er løbet ind i, er at I på forhånd har defineret en hel del omkring arrangementet - for den flok individualister I gerne vil have med… En strategi kunne være at åbne for alles input i stedet. Men det er selvfølgelig op til jer!
April 12th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Eller; hvis det kun er for dem, der definerer sig selv som tøsebloggere, så lad være - og hav en god aften.
en så bliver verden netop delt op, ligesom uden for Blogland:
Der er mænd: de kan lide teknik og er meeeeget seriøse.
Så er der kvinder: de vil helst ikke kaldes kvinder, kan lide lyserøde ting, som slet ikke er vigtige i den virkelige verden, (ellers skal de i hvert fald retfærdiggøre at NU er de seriøse).
Med al respekt, ville det ikke være federe med et bredere favnende perspektiv?
April 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
Hi Henriette, I have to admit my Danish is a million times worse that your English (even with the odd, small spelling or grammar mistake - hey we’re all inteligent enough to work out what you meant) so I can’t read the negative comments you’ve been getting. But don’t let them put you off. I hope the event is a success and enjoyable for you and all who attend.
On a side note, it’s always good in a weird way to have first hand experience of how something that seems like such a great tool can have negative side effects. You’ll know to avoid them next time and let’s face it, we’re all still learning so your experience just makes you stronger
Pub (nobody)
April 13th, 2006 at 10:09 pm
@AnetQ - er det okay hvis jeg lægger dine forslag på wikien og hører hvad folk siger der? vi vil meget gerne favne bredere. og navnet har da også være til revision - men alt modtages med kyshånd.
tak for dine konstruktive kommentarer - har respekt for nogen der ikke bare bitcher men som kommer med initiativer til forandring selv.
Henriette
April 13th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
Tøseblogger 12 point!
Narrow focus - broad results!
April 14th, 2006 at 8:53 am
@Pub - yeah I learned so much.. it’s amazing , I think I have more knowledge about it now then your “normal” blog consultant - because I have felt it on my own body - and to express feelings - it has been a Helluva ride… both ups and down..
Leto - wanna join the event as my date ? we can just pretend you are someone else,
if you are worried about the angry danish fembloggers *s*
April 15th, 2006 at 12:01 am
@Henriette,
I certaintly would, but I am already been invited by tigerstriben, because she thinks that I am a tøseblogger and she says to have Google to back it up.
So If I attend your event, it would be impolite of me not to say yes to tigerstriben, underneath all this, Im trying to be a gentlemen.
And by the way, I am not worried about the angry danish fembloggers, I think they worry to much
April 15th, 2006 at 12:59 am
Dig og Sille har ikke lavet en kæmpefejl i den Danske Blogs’fære. I har taget et initiativ og er er pionærer på området. At der så er nogle i DK, der er uenige med det (ca. 10 stk’s) skal I da ikke lade Jer ryste af.
Frem med ungdomsoprøret !!!
Hold fast i navnet på Eventen !!!
Dem der har noget imod navnet bor alligevel til venstre for broen, og kommer såmænd ikke alligevel.
Bliv bare fremme i skoene tøser
April 17th, 2006 at 2:09 am
Henriette, I will answer you in English as that seems to be the language you use on this blog.
As you know, I am one of the women who regret that you and Trine have chosen to categorise so narrowly and you also know that I find the term offensive. The reason why I find the term offensive is that the etymology of the word “tøs” has very negative connotations. Secondly, because the origin of the name is from a male blogger who, appear very derogative of female bloggers in general.
The biggest error you made, from my perspective, is that you actually categorised somebody (Liselotte)* as a “tøseblogger” (chick blogger). She would probably not have passed any comment if you had not lumped her in with “yourselves”. ( I put “yourselves” in quotes as I really feel that this divide i wrong. We are all women).
Anyway, I find it commendable that you have taken the initiative for this event. No matter how much I regret the name. I will not go into all the usual arguments as I have said my piece often enough on various blogs.
Now, if I may suggest a couple of alternative names:
hjerteblogger (heart blogger),
hunblogger (she blogger),
kvindeblogger (womenbloggers)
hunkønsblogger (female blogger)
I wish you a brilliant event! I look forward to hearing about it and as you know, I would have been there myself if not I had financial and geographic restrictions even though I do not fit into the box.
PS. I have tried to figure out how to access the discussion on the wiki, however, I am defo not a geek, so it will take a bit before I get my head around it. You are welcome to quote this yourself on the wiki, if you like.
PPS
5-6 may categorise me as a “cow blogger”… Well, I am a taurus, so…
*I cannot speak for Liselotte, but merely surmise.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:35 am
Jeg kan stadig ikke finde ud af, hvor det er Liselotte er blevet kaldt tøseblogger… Help!?!?
April 20th, 2006 at 11:43 am
jeg tror ikke hun decideret er blevet kaldt “tøseblogger” jeg tror bare at det er vores definition hun syntes den er gal med. men min mening har hele tiden været; at hvis man ikke føler at man kan kategoriseres og passer ind i den event vi har lavet.. jamen så dukker man ikke op - så er den ikke længere…
April 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
Nej, men der er så mange der blir ved med at påstå i har kaldt hende tøseblogger, udover hos Kimpo sefølig… Efterlyser bare stedet, når det har kørt dem så meget op….
April 20th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
Så vidt jeg husker så har Liselotte et link til stedet på sin blog i dén tråd, i ved nok. Kik engang dér.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
Her er det: http://frk-thorendal.smartlog.dk/48633_Toseblogs_som_medie..html#kommentarer
April 20th, 2006 at 6:22 pm
Og Henriette, det er da en klar melding … Jeg ville ganske enkelt ikke være velkommen så, selv hvis jeg boede lige rundt om hjørmet, er kvinde og blogger. ØV!
April 21st, 2006 at 10:30 am
What a big fuss about nothing… Altså.. alt dette er opstået pga en lille kommentar… Det var da lige godt utroligt…
April 21st, 2006 at 10:04 pm
Zpitzen, det er netop det der er faren ved små kommentarer. Man må tænke sig om!
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